![]() ![]() Even if they discard their hand, and verbally declare that the fold, their hand is not considered dead if it identifiable. At showdown, when action is complete, a player may not fold. Note that you may only fold when facing action. A folded hand is instantly considered dead. If another player invokes IWTSTH, the hand is not live.įolding-Folding is the act of, when faced with action, declining to match or raise the action, and forfeiting any claim on the pot. Note: if the player who has the winning hand invokes IWTSTH, the tabled hand is live. They may invoke I Want To See That Hand (IWTSTH) and the dealer will table the hand. 2)Discarded hands at showdown can be requested to be shown by any player who was involved in the hand (definitions of what 'involved in the hand' vary between 'dealt into the hand' to 'was involved at showdown'). This happens a lot, and opposing players always scream 'He folded'. If you discard your hand forward, and then suddenly see a backdoor straight, as long as your hand is identifiable, you can table your hand. ![]() Note two things: 1)Your hand is not killed by the act of discarding or abandoning. This indicates that you do not wish to make claim on the pot by showing your hand. The act of a player discarding his hand to the middle of the table is NOT mucking, though it is often described that wayĭiscarding\abandoning your hand-At showdown, if you choose to not show your hand, you may discard or abandon it by throwing the cards forward, face down. Even if the cards touch the muck, as long as they are identifiable, they are not automatically considered dead. Usually, only a dealer can muck a hand (although, in certain seats, it is possible for the player to reach the muck and mix his hand into it. Mucked-A hand is mucked when it is mixed, unidentifiable, with the muck. While the strictest rules say that the cards muct be fully backs on the felt and outside the players hand, most dealers or floors will consider a hand tabled as long as most of the cards backs are on the felt (allowing the player to protect their hand by continuing to hold onto the bottom or corner of the cards). Tabled-a hand is tabled when it is placed, face up, with the cards backs on the felt. In these discussions, it is useful to have a definition of terms, as they get frequently misused(I will also include some terms that were not mentioned in this scenerio, but come up in these discussions) I am talking about chips incorrectly awarded and subsequently getting pulled from a player stack to get th3m to the correct, different player And I am not referring to impounded pots. I have heard of such error corrections happening after the next hand has begun. Is the new hand, claim over correct in this instance (if that had happened)? 'In most rooms' once the pots are pushed and a shuffle or the button on the auto-shuffler is pushed then the hand is over and Player C loses their claim at that time. If Player C had not tabled their hand AND the cards were still 'fully' identifiable, then in most rooms they could be retrieved and tabled for the chop. In rooms with overhead cameras I've seen them 'go to the tape' for verification, but if no one is objecting this is just a misread by Dealer/table and Player C get it's share of the side pot. Yes, as long as Player C 'fully' tabled their hand for all to see and no one is in disagreement as to what Player C was holding, then this is a pretty standard ruling. TLDR as posted yes ruling was correct as hand is live. It is EVERY player responsibility to point out errors so they can be corrected. Not sure if op was A or B, but whether or not he is, op should be striving to see the C gets his proper chips. Honestly if ever item about the dealer is 100% accurate as posted, this dealer needs more training. That is a LONG time to take chopping a pot even three ways. You may want to pull out a watch and time just how long 90 seconds is in a poker hand. Note, even if correctly mucked and not identifiable, the fact that the hand was properly tabled means even a mucked hand is still live. ![]() If correctly mucked, the cards are mixed into the muck such that they cannot be clearly identified so floor should not be able to just pull out the cards from the stub. Full disclosure, I will use the term muck like OP but it is still not perfectly correct.Īlso, the dealer should be mucking into the muck not the stub. He can fold, discard, abandon his cards but (minor pedant) a muck is done by the dealer. If A
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